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hello everyone welcome to another

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episode of hero paranormal podcast this

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is Ryan the original outlaw of the

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airwaves bringing you a slam dunk

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podcast with one of the coolest guests

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ever it's gonna be fun it is really neat

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you know I've listened to podcasts for

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years I was a big fan of midnight in the

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desert our guest tonight is actually a

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guest host on midnight in the desert

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she's also the acclaimed host of into

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the fray talk radio and she's

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co-authored a book with a very neat name

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beyond the fray that delves deeply into

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Bigfoot and it is an amazing collection

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of chilling first-person accounts that

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will make you think twice about going

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into the woods those are the actual

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words from the author of the beasts of

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Boggy Creek Lyle Blackburn so it is

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going to be fun

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can get the goodies so Shannon is super

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cool she signed the book that she sent

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to me and sent me some mom some of her

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cards the into the fray cards and I'll

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tell ya some of the coolest business

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cards I have seen to date

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and definitely definitely cool had props

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on that she nailed it hit it out of the

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park with that Shannon is very

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knowledgeable of many many things in the

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paranormal so this will be really cool

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getting into the depths of this this

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book is amazing highly recommend

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everybody buy it I'm going to steal a

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line out of it that I absolutely love

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now come with me as we again depart but

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this time we go beyond the fray

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Shannon leg row welcome to the hero

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paranormal podcast thank you so much for

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having me Ryan this is this is such a

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cool book this is people say it all the

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time but I I really like the the fact

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that it is different events and stories

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and it just kind of keeps the hair on

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the back of your neck standing up I I i

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could relate to a lot of the stories

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because they're just it's just really

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well put together the whole Bigfoot

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thing what is what you did were you

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interested first or did you have an

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experience first how did you get

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involved with that yes so actually my

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first experience had nothing to do with

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Bigfoot and actually occurred not too

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far from you know one of your next or

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the west notes and you talked it had

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nothing to do it Bigfoot at all it was a

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shadow people so I remember at some

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point all the sudden years and years ago

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just diving headlong the books they were

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podcasting or and I started to consume

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as many of those as I could but you know

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a lot of people get was the beach buggy

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Creek or I saw the Patterson Gimlin film

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or they have a something that or they

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have their sighting of course as you

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mentioned I don't remember exactly the

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moment that I was like Bigfoot is my

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thing that's amazing but it certainly

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has become I would say the big guy is

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biggest in my heart as far as the

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subject matter that I cover on my show

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so I'm head over heels in love with

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Bigfoot that is so cool he the big guy I

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like that it's it's true at least it is

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somewhat of a mysterious it's kind of

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like a gateway to the

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other paranormal items or at least it

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was for me because there's so much

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mystery surrounding bigfoot and legend

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and lore and cultural I mean beliefs

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this is really big did in the writing of

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your book I'm sure you spoke with all

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kinds of people who had different ideas

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about Bigfoot what were some of the most

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interesting well I mean as far as what

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they are I don't think that anybody

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because the fact that the book is just

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basically their encounters what happened

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not only during the encounter what a

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decreased look like but the other side

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of that which is just as important is

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what did it do to the person that saw it

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you know I think that the human aspect

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of whether it's UFOs or Bigfoot or

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ghosts or shadow people it gets lost a

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lot of the time and as fascinating as it

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is to share the description what

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happened to the person physically

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mentally do they still have PTSD do they

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go in the woods there's more faculty to

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answer your question we didn't really

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dive into that too much if people get

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off on to tangents which I love tangents

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by the way on my show it wasn't so much

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that I included that particularly in the

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book but and this wasn't on my show but

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I just was recently talking with some

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other folks about this but I think one

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of the most interesting theories that

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I've heard about Bigfoot and maybe

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you've heard this Ryan was that Bigfoot

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was placed here on the planet by aliens

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to mine precious metals for them because

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that's what the aliens need to power

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so that was one that's one of the more

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interesting ones that I've heard that

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was on my show but as far as my show

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goes I've had everybody from

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Gigantopithecus to maybe it's a human

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hybrid too it's just you know an

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undiscovered ape species so which I

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would prefer I think out of all of those

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of course to be that because if it's

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anything paranormal which just means

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abnormal if it's anything like that and

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they have any clinical weird abilities

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then we probably will never figure out

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what they are yeah and it

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seems like that route of thinking it's

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it's and it's very likely I mean that's

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this it could be possible that a

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cryptozoological creature is able to you

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know hide well I mean look at there's so

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many creatures that do other things well

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that in my opinion is like practically

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paranormal and it is just a fish

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so there's there's a lot of discussion

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that goes down and and I know that it

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can get pretty heated between the two

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camps those that think it's

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interdimensional those who mention the

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UFO connection and those who don't want

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anything to do with it do get to talk to

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mister Meldrum dr. Meldrum when you made

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the book no I've only ingest Meldrum but

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I haven't actually spoken to him stance

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but I would love to I would love to get

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the book in his hands and see what he

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what he thought about some of the

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encounters with him and even though a

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lot of the encounters are pulled from my

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show of course there are several in

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there that haven't been heard anywhere

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so I and I would hazard to say and so

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far the listeners that have gotten the

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book are going Gus even though I've

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heard these on your show it's it's

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different to consume it in word forms

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and they were just as freaked out there

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like they are we screwed out for a

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second time by the same story so and

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moving forward with our next books I

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think I'm going to put even more stories

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that have just not been heard anywhere

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else that would be great it's super

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descriptive yeah

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either that's kind of same as you met

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but yeah when it comes to those two

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camps it seems like although he's very

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open-minded he's the go-to guy for the

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scientific camp and and you know trying

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to get some legitimacy into the field so

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I I think that's really cool because

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there is some legitimacy that's coming

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in to the Bigfoot field it's not just

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the Patterson Gimlin like it was for

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ever and it is

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you know that that has its its qualities

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but there is a lot more scientifically

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that I think you know DNA hair samples I

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remember I uh I got a call once from a

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another researcher and I said what are

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you doing where are you at and he said

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I've got a bunch of well the least

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favorite samples some dung in the back

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of his truck and he was driving right he

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was driving up to see Jeff Meldrum I was

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like oh I'm glad I'm not you but yeah

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there's there's a lot of features in the

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book that descriptions are terrifying

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the encounters and I can see into its

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eyes I thought that was really cool and

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a lot of them leave you or leave you

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wondering you know how often are these

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sightings taking place that people don't

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report them oh gosh I mean that that you

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hit it on the head there I mean I think

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we're just scraping the surface if you

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take all of the reports that are given

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just a podcast alone forget you know the

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online greatest things like the BFRO

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yeah that that's it's how many woman to

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be made fun of and I'm going to be

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looked at like a coupe so I'm not gonna

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tell anybody about this and you know

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look we we have good relationships

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school and people trust us and so to to

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be trusted like that and they come on

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they tell you these things it is it's an

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incredible thing and I think if we would

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probably be shocked if we found out just

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how many people are out there that have

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had encounters and just not hold a soul

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it does seem that way I mean it seems

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like every year and I want to get into

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your Utah sighting - I think that's so

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exciting but every year there's

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sightings and you see it on the news

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whether it be in almost all the states

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you know oh

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could it be this or a hiker saw that and

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it's usually kind of brushed off and

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forgotten about quite quickly and people

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yell hoax a lot and and those functions

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kind of take it away from the public

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view because the reality is

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a lot of these sightings taking place

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and it seems like there's some

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interaction communication that this

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person had with this animal or was this

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just an idea that they had what were

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some of the more interesting things

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along those lines uh you know I've heard

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over the years a lot near a wooded area

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they say that you know they'll leave

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something else for the Bigfoot creatures

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in the woods and the Bigfoot will leave

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something back for them

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in fact certainly nothing name-dropper

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eating but I finally got a chance to

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talk to George Knapp the other night

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which was amazing and he brought up we

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were talking about her situation and he

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brought up a story that a gentleman told

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on on his show where the gentleman was

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leaving like apples and things like that

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out and the pigs with because I mean

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what else is a Bigfoot going to bring

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them for the most part the Bigfoot kept

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bringing back dead squirrels you know oh

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you'll leave me food so I'll leave you

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food and I personally hadn't heard

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anything that specific before but is

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interesting to think that there are

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smart enough to know I mean if that's

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what's going on of course there's a lot

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of conjecture going on there that we're

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assuming that it was the Bigfoot right

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but it's it's not there obviously

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extremely intelligent and I've always

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liked to call them believe it's because

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they're just you know going off there an

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undiscovered ape species they are stuck

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out there in the woods we just cannot

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compare and I don't think it's out of

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the realm of possibility that they do

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things like you know even a house pet

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bless their heart know they're going

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they'll go to a you know closet or

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behind under dad or something behind a

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whatever address and because they know

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they're on their way out now I do

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realize that there's been stuff it's

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Bigfoot that have been either hit by a

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car or shot by a hunter many of those

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stories of course the rest will vary

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heard the tales I know YouTube have fun

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I mean on your show and even even

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skinwalker ranch stuff you know the

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whole government side of things the

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government coming in and covering up

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tracks or taken away a body or what this

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might be but I don't think that these

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things go very far by themselves I think

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they're very tactical so if one of them

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does get clipped by a car i I just don't

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it is frustrating because why wouldn't

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one of them take a hard-enough it to

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just be laying in the road and then the

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next person if the first person the left

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and there we have our proof but it just

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hasn't happened yet I don't really see

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why they couldn't be smart enough to to

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help each other out like hey we can't

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let these people figure us out we have

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to avoid them they obviously want to

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watch us but they know to avoid yeah and

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you you cut out for a second when you

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were saying you call it the was it what

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was it in the woods like that Liam

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Neeson exactly it's like there's a lot

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of features with these stories that this

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is you know you get the hunter it seems

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like hunters seem more scared of it more

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like they think it's a beast and hikers

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are a little less I more aware but less

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scared and but you can't make any true

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and fast judgments about any of these

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sightings because some of them do have

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government ties and then there's I

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really strange stories that you hear

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about like you know people that have

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these things visiting them all the time

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so I know that there's probably a lot we

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could learn if we could understand a

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creature that not only has such a small

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impact no pun intended but I mean a big

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impact

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know talk about hardly hardly noticeable

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ecologically and yet it's still just a

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thing of mystery that everybody kind of

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I think everybody sort of has that

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thing in them where you kind of think it

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should be there I mean I I'm a hopeful

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believer in these things imprinted on me

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the fact that these really might be out

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there I mean until I have a sighting I'm

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not gonna say I know but I mean as

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you've read in the book Jim you've her

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on the podcast and you talk it's one of

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those what you wish for because some of

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these folks have life-changing exciting

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to where they become obsessed but they

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are also terrified to go hiking and

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fishing hunting things that they used to

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love to do is now ruined yeah yeah I

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totally agree and sorry you cut out for

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again I'm not sure why that was

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happening but it it can be traumatic

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people can have post-traumatic stress

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from this and disorders from this for

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sure did you run into did you run into a

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lot of that one gentleman out to an area

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he had a with only a big name Bigfoot

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researcher one of the old school guys

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and this gentleman actually takes the

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topographic map of this area and rolls a

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circle and says you don't ever go in

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here ever this is like where they live

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you know he's like do you know I'm

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saying you know this guy David David

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they yeah I get it I'm not gonna go well

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he goes of course and not only does he

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go but he tells his wife that he's going

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on a business trip which at that point

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in time that's not strange for him to do

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so so literally nobody knows where he's

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going and he goes to this area and I

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mean long story short he never sees a

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thing but that doesn't even matter

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because he ends up getting screamed at

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from multiple creatures he's crawling

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out of this this area that he went to on

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his hands and knees really thinking that

379
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he was going to be killed no one's gonna

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know where he went

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nope I'm gonna think he abandoned them

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and he admitted to me and he was very

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emotional this was on the show his cross

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very early episode bye

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he would crying and he thought he was

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out of there and these things were so

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good at what they were doing that they

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were they were paralleling him out the

389
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entire time and he made himself walk

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because he's you know that whole

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predator-prey thing he was quite worried

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about that and probably rightfully so

393
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and and I think it was a blast you know

394
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a deer okay time to run and he didn't

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know that it was even during the day for

396
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I think it was nearly 25 and even now I

397
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spoken him a number of times over the

398
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years since he first told that story

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he admits he still goes out during the

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day he's always armed he tells people

401
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where he's going and he goes out with

402
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other people and it being a really truly

403
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life-changing event and in that case

404
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like I said he didn't even see them he

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had a flashlight and made the choice to

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not look at them and he's behind you he

407
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went in there for an experience and boy

408
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did he get one but he he admitted he's

409
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like I had a flashlight but I don't

410
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think that I could have dealt with it

411
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actually seeing them because it was

412
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already terrifying enough yeah that

413
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would be horrifying and the flash I mean

414
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having the flashlight and still not

415
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looking that is like yeah isn't a test

416
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oh boy I need these because I've always

417
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tried to put myself in these situations

418
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as I'm listening to them or reading them

419
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I mean do you think that you would have

420
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done the same thing that David did or do

421
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you think that he has a hood on the

422
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right track was just not looking I I

423
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can't say that I would look I know that

424
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I would want to but I don't know if I

425
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would yeah I know girls and I be

426
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interested to hear your opinion on this

427
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too we hear about the different types

428
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you know they have labels that I cannot

429
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get too bogged down in type 1 type 2

430
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type 10 you know all that but you hear

431
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the more gorillas looking ones face

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facial teacups why and then you hear of

433
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them more human looking ones which I've

434
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always said

435
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I think would stay out more for whatever

436
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you know whatever the implications might

437
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be you can take that you know how you

438
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want think that that would be more

439
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difficult and and it looks more like a

440
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gorilla what do you what do you think

441
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about that if you had a sighting like

442
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that I am fascinated by the sightings

443
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that look like you said they have they

444
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have kind of like those human features I

445
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think that would be more realistic and

446
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fascinated by a lot of the different

447
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research that's being done I mean there

448
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are some pictures that are making their

449
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way around the web that are very debated

450
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on whether they you know close-ups of

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faces and such and I know that I can't

452
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think of the gentleman's name but his

453
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his means of I think it's impressive but

454
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his means of obtaining those pictures

455
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and what he goes through and explains

456
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that he does is pretty brutal but it is

457
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why can't I think of his name but yeah

458
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the Sentinel idea that they have

459
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lookouts and I absolutely think that the

460
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more intelligent be that they would have

461
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features much like what is making the

462
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rounds I'm not saying that I'm on the

463
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fence whether that's actually legitimate

464
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but right if it were that's exactly what

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I would picture it to be what I would

466
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expect is something that looks a little

467
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bit like us Melba Ketchum had been and

468
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you know they cleaned it said for human

469
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you know for these Sam it came from a

470
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Bigfoot creature so you know all of this

471
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hotly contested in any camp though I

472
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just like the fact that there's people

473
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out there going full-bore and whatever

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people leave or they they want that is

475
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fun I just I don't want to knock anybody

476
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for anything you know because I think

477
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that we should be left on the table

478
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because we don't know and there are no

479
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experts in Bigfoot because we don't have

480
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a body and we don't have fun have a bet

481
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I've never left this but you know behind

482
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three foot are three-inch thick acrylic

483
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at a zoo or something we just don't know

484
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there's no expert in this at all that is

485
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so true and it it really would be the

486
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worst thing that could possibly happen

487
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is to take an animal like that and put

488
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it into something like a zoo yeah it's

489
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yeah I mean even if you go to I remember

490
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going to the Cleveland zoo many times

491
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when I was up there still and there was

492
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a male silverback and every time I went

493
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there and to look at him he was he was

494
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sitting in the corner basically walking

495
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back and forth space in the wall you

496
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know I mean it just breaks your heart

497
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because yeah so yeah that would be my

498
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main reason as to why we should never if

499
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it ever came down to it sticking behind

500
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glass so we can talk and point at them

501
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because they're far too intelligent for

502
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that they are and they they they have so

503
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much relevance with Native Americans and

504
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the lore the legend you know the old man

505
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on the mountain whatever you want to

506
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call him I remember there's many stories

507
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I've heard that they are kind of that

508
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would be the last thing that would be

509
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you know in a zoo the last thing they

510
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would do is is there something to the

511
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spiritual aspect that you've gathered in

512
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looking into this kind of going beyond

513
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where most people go and getting a

514
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really deep look at this is there a

515
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spiritual or you know essential feeling

516
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that people have had that you've spoken

517
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with about the animal uh yeah I've had

518
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it doesn't happen often and I think it's

519
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mostly again things that I've heard on

520
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other shows but I did have one person

521
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that said basically they got a sense

522
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from it almost you know can't account to

523
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mind speak or telepathy like this like

524
00:24:18,180 --> 00:24:14,799
the creature was basically saying you

525
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know like I'm not gonna hurt you or you

526
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know don't go any further or you need to

527
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leave you know whatever the the message

528
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that it needed to impart was but

529
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you know that could be the person the

530
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person's primal instincts kicking in and

531
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maybe it was more their inner voice you

532
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know I mean so it's kind of it's it's

533
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really hard and that's a gray area and

534
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again I'm not going to laugh at

535
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anybody's encounter or question what

536
00:24:48,750 --> 00:24:46,420
they said that's the beauty of doing

537
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shows like ours is that when people come

538
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on and they share something it's up to

539
00:24:55,470 --> 00:24:53,800
the listener to decide or the reader to

540
00:24:58,980 --> 00:24:55,480
decide if they think that if the true

541
00:25:02,250 --> 00:24:58,990
story or not you know so yeah there have

542
00:25:05,010 --> 00:25:02,260
definitely been a lot of people out

543
00:25:09,900 --> 00:25:05,020
there just in general that think these

544
00:25:15,210 --> 00:25:09,910
things have some real true extrasensory

545
00:25:17,580 --> 00:25:15,220
abilities and that they can tap into not

546
00:25:20,550 --> 00:25:17,590
only real primal stuff and just live out

547
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:20,560
in these truly harsh environments you

548
00:25:25,110 --> 00:25:23,770
know northern Canada and Alaska every

549
00:25:28,980 --> 00:25:25,120
once in a blue moon you've heard in

550
00:25:33,710 --> 00:25:28,990
Alaska story but that they have other

551
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:33,720
abilities that are to us pretty

552
00:25:40,620 --> 00:25:38,650
fantastical really and I don't know that

553
00:25:42,660 --> 00:25:40,630
I understand believe that they have that

554
00:25:44,700 --> 00:25:42,670
ability but then again people have said

555
00:25:46,710 --> 00:25:44,710
if we could use more of our brains that

556
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:46,720
we might be able to do the same thing so

557
00:25:50,430 --> 00:25:48,850
I don't know what if they're just able

558
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:50,440
to tap into that part of their brain

559
00:25:57,810 --> 00:25:53,890
tomorrow I'm not sure absolutely

560
00:25:59,850 --> 00:25:57,820
and there's the neat thing is like you

561
00:26:03,810 --> 00:25:59,860
said the place is the the climate's it's

562
00:26:06,450 --> 00:26:03,820
really broad and varied and I loved the

563
00:26:09,990 --> 00:26:06,460
Bigfoot and Nevada story because

564
00:26:12,870 --> 00:26:10,000
obviously I'm in Nevada and you are and

565
00:26:15,510 --> 00:26:12,880
as a state like Nevada is usually not

566
00:26:19,470 --> 00:26:15,520
what you think of as a place where you

567
00:26:21,270 --> 00:26:19,480
would see a Bigfoot yeah and I'm glad

568
00:26:22,620 --> 00:26:21,280
you brought that one up because this one

569
00:26:26,250 --> 00:26:22,630
was so cool because there was nothing

570
00:26:29,010 --> 00:26:26,260
truly fantastic about it it was not an

571
00:26:31,500 --> 00:26:29,020
over-the-top story basically they're

572
00:26:33,950 --> 00:26:31,510
driving a husband and a wife she's

573
00:26:37,890 --> 00:26:33,960
surviving he's not passenger seat and

574
00:26:40,530 --> 00:26:37,900
it's it's dark out and they see

575
00:26:41,289 --> 00:26:40,540
something so tall that the guy remembers

576
00:26:44,109 --> 00:26:41,299
things

577
00:26:47,830 --> 00:26:44,119
oh that's a guy on a dirt bike you know

578
00:26:49,629 --> 00:26:47,840
and man he's he's Clio but on this thing

579
00:26:51,879 --> 00:26:49,639
and he could tell that the thing was

580
00:26:54,279 --> 00:26:51,889
going to make a turn and of course once

581
00:26:56,349 --> 00:26:54,289
it turned he realized oh man I think

582
00:26:59,049 --> 00:26:56,359
going so fast it's guys gonna gonna

583
00:27:01,060 --> 00:26:59,059
crash on his dirt bike making a turn

584
00:27:03,700 --> 00:27:01,070
like that at that speed and that's when

585
00:27:07,690 --> 00:27:03,710
he realized he described it as a

586
00:27:09,759 --> 00:27:07,700
refrigerator with legs and it actually

587
00:27:13,839 --> 00:27:09,769
disappeared basically into a

588
00:27:16,419 --> 00:27:13,849
neighborhood and this is like you spend

589
00:27:19,690 --> 00:27:16,429
on an area that you would think would

590
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:19,700
have any activity whatsoever but the

591
00:27:25,479 --> 00:27:23,330
here's why I love this story because and

592
00:27:28,210 --> 00:27:25,489
a lot of it was kept private and that's

593
00:27:30,999 --> 00:27:28,220
for specific reasons a lot of times that

594
00:27:33,789 --> 00:27:31,009
it does get stressful because if I could

595
00:27:36,489 --> 00:27:33,799
release who told this or the friend that

596
00:27:38,409 --> 00:27:36,499
told him the other information it would

597
00:27:40,839 --> 00:27:38,419
it would clean even more of a stance as

598
00:27:43,690 --> 00:27:40,849
approval from people probably but you

599
00:27:46,869 --> 00:27:43,700
know anonymity is always a chance to

600
00:27:49,029 --> 00:27:46,879
mount if that's what they want so he and

601
00:27:52,239 --> 00:27:49,039
his wife has this sighting in December

602
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:52,249
and there's even a horrible smell which

603
00:27:57,700 --> 00:27:55,970
is a lot of times attributed to poor

604
00:27:59,830 --> 00:27:57,710
Bigfoot creatures right there just

605
00:28:01,180 --> 00:27:59,840
smelly things sometimes and that smell

606
00:28:03,879 --> 00:28:01,190
stayed around for like three days

607
00:28:06,909 --> 00:28:03,889
the dogs were acting weird and then it

608
00:28:09,219 --> 00:28:06,919
would leave and it wasn't but you know a

609
00:28:14,589 --> 00:28:09,229
couple weeks later he finds out that a

610
00:28:18,460 --> 00:28:14,599
friend of his had a sighting in in

611
00:28:21,099 --> 00:28:18,470
December the same month in Nevada so

612
00:28:22,509 --> 00:28:21,109
here we're looking at a situation where

613
00:28:25,180 --> 00:28:22,519
we're going okay well they probably

614
00:28:28,269 --> 00:28:25,190
don't hang out here too much there's not

615
00:28:30,700 --> 00:28:28,279
a lot of cover for the most part but the

616
00:28:33,549 --> 00:28:30,710
idea that they migrate and they move

617
00:28:36,210 --> 00:28:33,559
through different areas that may have

618
00:28:39,669 --> 00:28:36,220
less cover for a short amount of time is

619
00:28:41,619 --> 00:28:39,679
certainly I think a possibility so I

620
00:28:45,279 --> 00:28:41,629
know that I didn't give a specific

621
00:28:49,149 --> 00:28:45,289
location and I can tell you off the air

622
00:28:50,469 --> 00:28:49,159
probably hairline but but yeah I don't

623
00:28:51,700 --> 00:28:50,479
think it's I don't Lee it's nice to

624
00:28:53,139 --> 00:28:51,710
think they're moving through somewhere

625
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:53,149
that doesn't have a whole bunch of woods

626
00:28:58,910 --> 00:28:55,130
to get to another place

627
00:29:02,360 --> 00:28:58,920
right and that that's that's awesome it

628
00:29:04,190 --> 00:29:02,370
is it reminds me of you know when I've

629
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:04,200
gone out with other Bigfoot research or

630
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:06,450
Shannon and they show you things that

631
00:29:11,030 --> 00:29:07,890
other people would just think are so

632
00:29:12,650 --> 00:29:11,040
subtle and that's nothing but you know

633
00:29:15,140 --> 00:29:12,660
you start noticing some of these little

634
00:29:17,630 --> 00:29:15,150
things like the way they sort of groomed

635
00:29:20,870 --> 00:29:17,640
trails or paths for like you said if

636
00:29:23,900 --> 00:29:20,880
they're moving through there and they

637
00:29:25,010 --> 00:29:23,910
can do this when when you when you look

638
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:25,020
at it when you it's like one of those

639
00:29:29,810 --> 00:29:27,330
things the deeper you look it starts to

640
00:29:32,930 --> 00:29:29,820
kind of make sense which is so crazy

641
00:29:35,810 --> 00:29:32,940
because like it is it's it the

642
00:29:37,490 --> 00:29:35,820
paranormal is a broad spectrum and it I

643
00:29:41,090 --> 00:29:37,500
try not to get locked on any one thing

644
00:29:43,250 --> 00:29:41,100
but Bigfoot is so hard not to not to get

645
00:29:45,830 --> 00:29:43,260
locked into it is just so hard because

646
00:29:49,820 --> 00:29:45,840
it's so intriguing and mysterious and

647
00:29:52,190 --> 00:29:49,830
and always available it's not like you

648
00:29:54,530 --> 00:29:52,200
know it's just there it's not like you

649
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:54,540
have to you know wait for Halloween

650
00:29:58,720 --> 00:29:56,130
night and go you know it's just

651
00:30:02,390 --> 00:29:58,730
something that's always there and yeah

652
00:30:04,790 --> 00:30:02,400
and getting back to the Utah sighting

653
00:30:07,070 --> 00:30:04,800
because I can't let that escape

654
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:07,080
you said you may have seen something in

655
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:11,130
Utah a little bit oh yes I certainly did

656
00:30:19,250 --> 00:30:14,810
and yeah that's really the thing that

657
00:30:22,610 --> 00:30:19,260
catapulted me into I mean it didn't

658
00:30:25,790 --> 00:30:22,620
happen right away obviously but that's

659
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:25,800
what I credit for my I mean obsession

660
00:30:30,380 --> 00:30:27,450
with just talking to more people who

661
00:30:33,230 --> 00:30:30,390
have had sightings of all sorts so yes I

662
00:30:37,580 --> 00:30:33,240
grew up here in Vegas and parents got

663
00:30:40,610 --> 00:30:37,590
divorced and dad buys a he lived here

664
00:30:43,460 --> 00:30:40,620
still of course but he buy cabin in Utah

665
00:30:45,290 --> 00:30:43,470
and that is in Creek Utah on Cedar

666
00:30:49,820 --> 00:30:45,300
Mountain which is just up from Cedar

667
00:30:51,290 --> 00:30:49,830
City and lovely place it gets a lot of

668
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:51,300
snow in the winter we would mostly be

669
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:53,730
there during the summertime and we would

670
00:30:56,630 --> 00:30:55,410
go up there nearly every weekend that we

671
00:30:58,400 --> 00:30:56,640
were with them and then of course in the

672
00:31:01,160 --> 00:30:58,410
summer we would just spend weeks and

673
00:31:03,860 --> 00:31:01,170
weeks up there so a few things that we

674
00:31:07,340 --> 00:31:03,870
like to do it was a very short list was

675
00:31:08,340 --> 00:31:07,350
basically we would go fishing and we

676
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:08,350
would ride our four

677
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:12,250
and at the time this encounter happened

678
00:31:21,629 --> 00:31:18,370
I was 12 or 13 so around 1992 and my dad

679
00:31:25,019 --> 00:31:21,639
had gone down into Cedar City which was

680
00:31:25,950 --> 00:31:25,029
about a 40-minute drive one way so he'd

681
00:31:28,799 --> 00:31:25,960
be gone for a while

682
00:31:30,330 --> 00:31:28,809
so me being a smart kid that I was I was

683
00:31:31,710 --> 00:31:30,340
like oh well we're gonna go ready for

684
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:31,720
alerts and dad's not here so I'm not

685
00:31:38,580 --> 00:31:33,850
going to wear my my helmet and goggles

686
00:31:40,409 --> 00:31:38,590
which that that'll be important here in

687
00:31:43,230 --> 00:31:40,419
a few minutes and anybody that's worn

688
00:31:45,090 --> 00:31:43,240
those things knows why and so I went out

689
00:31:48,330 --> 00:31:45,100
with my brother and my step-brother we

690
00:31:50,159 --> 00:31:48,340
each had our own machines and this area

691
00:31:52,590 --> 00:31:50,169
around these cabins is set up in a nice

692
00:31:57,119 --> 00:31:52,600
grid pattern it's not there's not a lot

693
00:31:59,639 --> 00:31:57,129
of traffic but it's dirt road so that's

694
00:32:01,830 --> 00:31:59,649
where we like to ride and it was the

695
00:32:05,159 --> 00:32:01,840
middle of the day a clear day nice and

696
00:32:07,139 --> 00:32:05,169
sunny nothing weird and we're riding

697
00:32:10,590 --> 00:32:07,149
down this road and because I didn't have

698
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:10,600
my helmet and goggles on I hung back if

699
00:32:15,060 --> 00:32:12,250
I didn't want the dirt in my face and in

700
00:32:17,149 --> 00:32:15,070
my nose and in my mouth so we're we're

701
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:17,159
moving at a good clip down this road and

702
00:32:25,289 --> 00:32:21,250
at some point during the ride I look off

703
00:32:27,749 --> 00:32:25,299
to my right and and you know you talk

704
00:32:30,119 --> 00:32:27,759
very well but there's aspen trees there

705
00:32:31,950 --> 00:32:30,129
for anybody that doesn't know and and

706
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:31,960
you thought it's not really a lot of

707
00:32:35,820 --> 00:32:33,730
ground brush like you'd see in ohio or

708
00:32:38,669 --> 00:32:35,830
something so the ground is for the most

709
00:32:42,119 --> 00:32:38,679
part more clear than other areas of the

710
00:32:45,899 --> 00:32:42,129
country so I look off to my right and I

711
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:45,909
see four absolutely pitch-black humanoid

712
00:32:50,549 --> 00:32:48,370
figures running through the woods and

713
00:32:52,499 --> 00:32:50,559
they are they're paralleling me they're

714
00:32:55,950 --> 00:32:52,509
going my direction the same way I'm

715
00:32:59,220 --> 00:32:55,960
going and the first thing that strikes

716
00:33:01,200 --> 00:32:59,230
me is they are like the deepest darkest

717
00:33:02,879 --> 00:33:01,210
cutouts from the blackest night and then

718
00:33:06,749 --> 00:33:02,889
somehow they were still darker than that

719
00:33:08,730 --> 00:33:06,759
and again it was sunny it was like no

720
00:33:11,909 --> 00:33:08,740
light could find them at all there was

721
00:33:14,610 --> 00:33:11,919
some of course cover from the trees but

722
00:33:16,619 --> 00:33:14,620
that it just didn't they didn't fit it

723
00:33:19,590 --> 00:33:16,629
was just wrong and I realized that

724
00:33:20,580 --> 00:33:19,600
within milliseconds and then of course

725
00:33:23,129 --> 00:33:20,590
they're moving there

726
00:33:24,659 --> 00:33:23,139
the legs like kind of and now when I

727
00:33:26,460 --> 00:33:24,669
look back I'm like this is hilarious

728
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:26,470
because they weren't from here did they

729
00:33:33,060 --> 00:33:28,210
really need to make that human issue

730
00:33:36,060 --> 00:33:33,070
vent you know um and also this work will

731
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:36,070
hard to describe but they they were

732
00:33:41,310 --> 00:33:37,570
moving as if the trees weren't even

733
00:33:43,590 --> 00:33:41,320
there they didn't need to to dodge them

734
00:33:45,629 --> 00:33:43,600
or you know jump over a log or whatever

735
00:33:47,220 --> 00:33:45,639
was in that way and it's not the state I

736
00:33:49,110 --> 00:33:47,230
could see them moving through them

737
00:33:50,850 --> 00:33:49,120
it's just they didn't have them go for

738
00:33:52,710 --> 00:33:50,860
them and that's really hard to describe

739
00:33:54,690 --> 00:33:52,720
but that's the best way I can do it so I

740
00:33:59,009 --> 00:33:54,700
watched them for about a count of five

741
00:34:00,779 --> 00:33:59,019
and which is a pretty good clip if he

742
00:34:03,119 --> 00:34:00,789
actually counted out and then of course

743
00:34:05,519 --> 00:34:03,129
I was still hauling butt on my folder so

744
00:34:06,899 --> 00:34:05,529
I had to check my path and by the time I

745
00:34:08,490 --> 00:34:06,909
turned back they were gone and the

746
00:34:10,470 --> 00:34:08,500
reasons I mentioned that goggles and I

747
00:34:12,690 --> 00:34:10,480
know you're you go riding a lot and do

748
00:34:14,730 --> 00:34:12,700
these things right if you can't hardly

749
00:34:15,869 --> 00:34:14,740
see anything out of those things so had

750
00:34:18,329 --> 00:34:15,879
I had the goggles on

751
00:34:19,710 --> 00:34:18,339
I wonder if I would have even really

752
00:34:21,450 --> 00:34:19,720
been able to see them I think they were

753
00:34:23,609 --> 00:34:21,460
about thirty feet back in the woods but

754
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:23,619
I got a really good view of them from

755
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:24,970
where I was because I didn't have

756
00:34:31,230 --> 00:34:28,450
anything covering my eyes or my face so

757
00:34:33,869 --> 00:34:31,240
I caught it to my brother something like

758
00:34:35,849 --> 00:34:33,879
hey I'm done I am done for the day and

759
00:34:37,829 --> 00:34:35,859
by the time my dad got back I was

760
00:34:40,500 --> 00:34:37,839
telling him the story and he goes well

761
00:34:42,599 --> 00:34:40,510
oh you know they DS an ex-military guy

762
00:34:44,369 --> 00:34:42,609
he's like oh they do military exercises

763
00:34:45,050 --> 00:34:44,379
out here all the time champ you know

764
00:34:49,500 --> 00:34:45,060
that's what they do

765
00:34:52,889 --> 00:34:49,510
and like no no dad these were not people

766
00:34:54,780 --> 00:34:52,899
at all and still to this day he

767
00:34:57,089 --> 00:34:54,790
remembers me telling telling that story

768
00:34:59,280 --> 00:34:57,099
and he's so funny because he admits he's

769
00:35:00,930 --> 00:34:59,290
like I I really didn't he's very

770
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:00,940
supportive of everything I'm doing but

771
00:35:03,780 --> 00:35:02,290
he's like I didn't believe you then and

772
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:03,790
I don't know that I still believe you

773
00:35:10,859 --> 00:35:08,410
know so but one thing about my encounter

774
00:35:12,870 --> 00:35:10,869
that comes up time and again because I

775
00:35:15,599 --> 00:35:12,880
have people come on my show to talk

776
00:35:16,829 --> 00:35:15,609
about shadow people and it's so much

777
00:35:19,410 --> 00:35:16,839
more messed up when it's in your own

778
00:35:22,500 --> 00:35:19,420
house but I think it's one of those

779
00:35:24,359 --> 00:35:22,510
things head looked over at me you know

780
00:35:25,290 --> 00:35:24,369
turn their head if they would have had a

781
00:35:27,059 --> 00:35:25,300
face I don't know

782
00:35:28,710 --> 00:35:27,069
turn their head or waved at me or

783
00:35:31,589 --> 00:35:28,720
something that it would've been a

784
00:35:34,050 --> 00:35:31,599
completely different situation and it

785
00:35:35,850 --> 00:35:34,060
was it did scare me for a while I didn't

786
00:35:37,140 --> 00:35:35,860
back out riding for nearly a week and

787
00:35:39,860 --> 00:35:37,150
then after that I was pretty cautious

788
00:35:44,100 --> 00:35:39,870
and stayed closer to my brothers but

789
00:35:46,290 --> 00:35:44,110
that was I was my inception story really

790
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:46,300
and of course if you know you start to

791
00:35:51,060 --> 00:35:48,850
get older and and other things can get

792
00:35:52,500 --> 00:35:51,070
on your mind as you're a teenager you

793
00:35:55,110 --> 00:35:52,510
know and then you're in school and super

794
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:55,120
busy so I didn't really have any outlets

795
00:35:59,580 --> 00:35:57,610
except for reading books but that's when

796
00:36:02,220 --> 00:35:59,590
like I said then I started to listen to

797
00:36:05,730 --> 00:36:02,230
the podcast and now I'm lucky enough to

798
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:05,740
have my own and get to talk to people

799
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:09,010
that have had a similar experiences so

800
00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:10,570
yeah that was my inception story and

801
00:36:15,210 --> 00:36:12,250
I've had people go well maybe they were

802
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:15,220
basically oh my oh no no no no I that's

803
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:17,290
that is not at all what I thought I

804
00:36:22,940 --> 00:36:19,570
still have yet to see a big switch so on

805
00:36:25,500 --> 00:36:22,950
I just think I saw like a glimpse into

806
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:25,510
another dimension for a second I don't

807
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:27,130
quite know what that was I I don't

808
00:36:31,940 --> 00:36:29,890
pretend to know but that was my big

809
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:31,950
story that's the only thing I've ever

810
00:36:38,610 --> 00:36:35,170
seen with my own eyes that just of

811
00:36:42,660 --> 00:36:38,620
course blow me away it's so so cool it's

812
00:36:45,180 --> 00:36:42,670
a super creepy story and that area

813
00:36:48,630 --> 00:36:45,190
like you said my gosh if anybody Duck

814
00:36:50,250 --> 00:36:48,640
Creek is it's it's super like it you

815
00:36:54,750 --> 00:36:50,260
wouldn't expect to see something like

816
00:36:57,570 --> 00:36:54,760
that in you know by now right and it's

817
00:36:59,160 --> 00:36:57,580
what the other dust oh my gosh I when I

818
00:37:01,200 --> 00:36:59,170
go up there I usually have to wear one

819
00:37:03,240 --> 00:37:01,210
of those handkerchiefs over my mouth to

820
00:37:05,630 --> 00:37:03,250
even oh it's terrible you know I don't

821
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:05,640
even we I've been up there in the last

822
00:37:12,210 --> 00:37:10,330
year and it's still not paid up there

823
00:37:14,940 --> 00:37:12,220
which I don't expect it to be I mean you

824
00:37:16,290 --> 00:37:14,950
know you're up there to be a part of the

825
00:37:19,260 --> 00:37:16,300
outdoors they're not ever gonna pay that

826
00:37:22,110 --> 00:37:19,270
up their hope but yeah it's just

827
00:37:24,870 --> 00:37:22,120
logistics you know you just you don't

828
00:37:26,460 --> 00:37:24,880
want dust in your eyes so you you got a

829
00:37:29,130 --> 00:37:26,470
cover up you don't want to be brainless

830
00:37:30,900 --> 00:37:29,140
stuff in all day but yeah Darry kisum I

831
00:37:31,740 --> 00:37:30,910
love that place for my favorite places

832
00:37:33,570 --> 00:37:31,750
on the planet

833
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:33,580
I wasn't scared at all to be back there

834
00:37:38,940 --> 00:37:37,450
cuz um I mean that's a one-off I mean

835
00:37:40,140 --> 00:37:38,950
I'm sure you hear tons of people with

836
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:40,150
these one-off stories they have

837
00:37:44,730 --> 00:37:42,130
something just nutty happened to them

838
00:37:46,700 --> 00:37:44,740
and nothing ever again and that's pretty

839
00:37:47,820 --> 00:37:46,710
much you know I've had some interesting

840
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:47,830
experience

841
00:37:51,420 --> 00:37:49,450
decisive but really that's the only

842
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:51,430
thing I've ever seen that just I'm like

843
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:54,130
that was bonkers and I can still see

844
00:38:01,050 --> 00:37:56,650
them clear as day all these years later

845
00:38:02,580 --> 00:38:01,060
man it's it's a perfect story in perfect

846
00:38:05,370 --> 00:38:02,590
place to I think it's really interesting

847
00:38:08,190 --> 00:38:05,380
that you mentioned your father said that

848
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:08,200
he was military and that they did ops

849
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:10,090
back there that's very interesting

850
00:38:16,830 --> 00:38:13,570
my late father-in-law he was a Navy SEAL

851
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:16,840
and he would always be like not really

852
00:38:21,630 --> 00:38:18,610
believing in things when I would talk

853
00:38:24,030 --> 00:38:21,640
with him however he did and he was from

854
00:38:26,220 --> 00:38:24,040
Oregon and I'll tell you Shannon one day

855
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:26,230
we were talking and he said yeah him and

856
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:27,850
his wife were driving down the road and

857
00:38:30,510 --> 00:38:28,570
they saw one

858
00:38:35,370 --> 00:38:30,520
you know just their typical Oregon

859
00:38:36,810 --> 00:38:35,380
sighting and he's like I like like you

860
00:38:39,990 --> 00:38:36,820
said he doesn't want to believe it but

861
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:40,000
he saw it and that reminds me a lot so

862
00:38:44,310 --> 00:38:42,490
he they were so he had a like the

863
00:38:46,050 --> 00:38:44,320
typical Road sighting where they saw it

864
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:46,060
for a few seconds I was like crossing

865
00:38:51,420 --> 00:38:48,010
the road or something that was it that

866
00:38:52,620 --> 00:38:51,430
was it and yeah I was like what did you

867
00:38:53,910 --> 00:38:52,630
do and he's like well we really didn't

868
00:38:55,860 --> 00:38:53,920
have a chance to do anything we just

869
00:38:58,890 --> 00:38:55,870
kind of slowed down saw it and moved on

870
00:39:03,150 --> 00:38:58,900
oh but you hear about it all the time

871
00:39:05,100 --> 00:39:03,160
it's very common well so that was up in

872
00:39:07,020 --> 00:39:05,110
Oregon was it a pretty pretty big

873
00:39:09,090 --> 00:39:07,030
creature they get a little bigger up in

874
00:39:11,820 --> 00:39:09,100
the Pacific Northwest for the most part

875
00:39:15,780 --> 00:39:11,830
you know I remember that he said it was

876
00:39:19,710 --> 00:39:15,790
big and they were in a truck a larger

877
00:39:22,740 --> 00:39:19,720
truck and it was just one of those

878
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:22,750
things that and when I talked to my

879
00:39:25,410 --> 00:39:24,130
mother-in-law she's like yeah we just

880
00:39:33,630 --> 00:39:25,420
kind of looked at each other and said

881
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:33,640
well okay yeah of course and it's but

882
00:39:37,650 --> 00:39:35,050
yeah there's a military the military

883
00:39:40,590 --> 00:39:37,660
mindset is hard to it's hard to kind of

884
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:40,600
you know get the the things that don't

885
00:39:45,900 --> 00:39:43,210
exist to get them to believe that so

886
00:39:47,790 --> 00:39:45,910
that that's actually Wow I think your

887
00:39:50,580 --> 00:39:47,800
story is fascinating and and what a

888
00:39:54,300 --> 00:39:50,590
perfect place to have it holy cow have

889
00:39:56,790 --> 00:39:54,310
you had any experiences with Division of

890
00:39:58,500 --> 00:39:56,800
Wildlife resource people Rangers or

891
00:40:00,190 --> 00:39:58,510
anything along those lines even maybe

892
00:40:05,290 --> 00:40:00,200
law enforcement who have Haddix

893
00:40:07,810 --> 00:40:05,300
or continues to have them yeah I have I

894
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:07,820
talked to people that it's mostly on the

895
00:40:12,310 --> 00:40:10,850
Ranger side of things but you know that

896
00:40:15,220 --> 00:40:12,320
gets real tricky because they can't

897
00:40:17,490 --> 00:40:15,230
really come out and and say that you

898
00:40:21,190 --> 00:40:17,500
know they work for the Park Service and

899
00:40:23,380 --> 00:40:21,200
you know those are situations where like

900
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:23,390
I said you kind of have to keep keep

901
00:40:28,900 --> 00:40:26,090
their names real hush-hush and will

902
00:40:32,380 --> 00:40:28,910
either use no name or just a fault first

903
00:40:34,540 --> 00:40:32,390
name only kind of a thing but you know

904
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:34,550
when you get these Rangers with these

905
00:40:40,060 --> 00:40:37,850
stories and they're constantly just

906
00:40:43,030 --> 00:40:40,070
being you know vague to people that come

907
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:43,040
to the parks oh well there was a large

908
00:40:49,570 --> 00:40:46,490
predator sighting recently so avoid this

909
00:40:51,670 --> 00:40:49,580
trail or whatever it might be but I

910
00:40:53,970 --> 00:40:51,680
I mean if Rangers could ever come out

911
00:40:56,260 --> 00:40:53,980
and really talk about what they seemed

912
00:40:59,380 --> 00:40:56,270
talk about the treasure trove of

913
00:41:01,990 --> 00:40:59,390
information and you know its first a

914
00:41:04,300 --> 00:41:02,000
part show they have all kinds of

915
00:41:06,430 --> 00:41:04,310
secretive things going on even if you

916
00:41:08,650 --> 00:41:06,440
just dig into the missing for one month

917
00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:08,660
just how they don't keep list of missing

918
00:41:14,590 --> 00:41:10,250
people and all that stuff that David

919
00:41:17,140 --> 00:41:14,600
Pilates that looked into so um I would

920
00:41:19,450 --> 00:41:17,150
certainly love to pick the brain of a

921
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:19,460
ranger that has been in one of these

922
00:41:25,780 --> 00:41:22,490
quote-unquote hot spots for years and

923
00:41:28,870 --> 00:41:25,790
did obviously see it if they've seen

924
00:41:30,820 --> 00:41:28,880
anything personally tracks or an actual

925
00:41:32,740 --> 00:41:30,830
creature and of course maybe some of the

926
00:41:35,050 --> 00:41:32,750
stories they've heard over the years I

927
00:41:36,970 --> 00:41:35,060
mean somebody can make a killing coming

928
00:41:39,010 --> 00:41:36,980
out and telling all the information that

929
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:39,020
they know I can't agree more I've always

930
00:41:42,910 --> 00:41:41,450
wondered you know that they have to see

931
00:41:47,590 --> 00:41:42,920
stuff but like you said it gets pretty

932
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:47,600
tricky the the neatest stuff is these

933
00:41:52,780 --> 00:41:49,970
fire have you seen these fire lookouts

934
00:41:55,450 --> 00:41:52,790
that they have in the forests I've

935
00:41:59,200 --> 00:41:55,460
always one of course you can't access

936
00:42:02,020 --> 00:41:59,210
them but I did speak with a ranger out

937
00:42:05,830 --> 00:42:02,030
where was it oh it was in Arizona

938
00:42:09,130 --> 00:42:05,840
again weird places you see this the Moga

939
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:09,140
john monster nuts over the Mogollon Rim

940
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:11,330
and

941
00:42:14,860 --> 00:42:13,130
we were looking we went up there we were

942
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:14,870
talking to a guy and all kinds of great

943
00:42:18,910 --> 00:42:16,610
conversation and when I said that like

944
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:18,920
have you ever seen anything strange and

945
00:42:26,410 --> 00:42:21,530
like yeah that same thing you said they

946
00:42:29,980 --> 00:42:26,420
give you that look like man yeah can't

947
00:42:32,530 --> 00:42:29,990
talk about it yeah oh you had to go

948
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:32,540
there and you can tell they know stuff

949
00:42:36,820 --> 00:42:34,370
they and they're dying to say something

950
00:42:42,910 --> 00:42:36,830
but most of the time they just won't do

951
00:42:44,170 --> 00:42:42,920
it so oh yeah okay killing coming out

952
00:42:46,420 --> 00:42:44,180
and telling the stories I don't so much

953
00:42:48,250 --> 00:42:46,430
mean that they can make a fortune I mean

954
00:42:51,370 --> 00:42:48,260
maybe they could it was just more as far

955
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:51,380
as the data collection that we could get

956
00:42:58,000 --> 00:42:54,770
off of that you know it would be amazing

957
00:43:00,310 --> 00:42:58,010
and I love the David Pilates stuff that

958
00:43:02,530 --> 00:43:00,320
Pilates stuff that he's got going on and

959
00:43:05,620 --> 00:43:02,540
some of the interesting tunnel

960
00:43:08,140 --> 00:43:05,630
formations that made that kind of blew

961
00:43:10,390 --> 00:43:08,150
me away when there's a lot of

962
00:43:12,430 --> 00:43:10,400
coincidences but the amount of missing

963
00:43:15,970 --> 00:43:12,440
people and especially children is just

964
00:43:18,430 --> 00:43:15,980
yeah brutal it makes you think twice I

965
00:43:20,380 --> 00:43:18,440
mean you get your kiddos out around you

966
00:43:23,230 --> 00:43:20,390
you know it really does like no matter

967
00:43:27,010 --> 00:43:23,240
what is going on there with that you

968
00:43:32,260 --> 00:43:27,020
just it makes you think twice that's the

969
00:43:34,690 --> 00:43:32,270
truth was or is I guess is is there a

970
00:43:37,540 --> 00:43:34,700
lot of cases we were just talking about

971
00:43:39,460 --> 00:43:37,550
Nevada Arizona a lot of these arid

972
00:43:43,150 --> 00:43:39,470
climates you'll hear people say oh yeah

973
00:43:45,580 --> 00:43:43,160
I saw in this high desert area I saw a

974
00:43:47,350 --> 00:43:45,590
Sasquatch or a Bigfoot and around the

975
00:43:49,420 --> 00:43:47,360
Four Corners area I know that there is a

976
00:43:51,580 --> 00:43:49,430
lot of research going on there and I

977
00:43:54,940 --> 00:43:51,590
mean we're literally talking about not

978
00:43:56,350 --> 00:43:54,950
very dense brush are you noticing that

979
00:43:58,090 --> 00:43:56,360
that really makes a difference or not

980
00:43:58,510 --> 00:43:58,100
you know if there's a forest there or

981
00:44:01,960 --> 00:43:58,520
not

982
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:01,970
I honestly that's a great question I

983
00:44:06,010 --> 00:44:04,130
don't think that it does because I think

984
00:44:08,050 --> 00:44:06,020
if they find out our great spot where

985
00:44:10,060 --> 00:44:08,060
you know you've entered cave you know

986
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:10,070
maybe they can go subterranean a little

987
00:44:14,470 --> 00:44:11,570
bit I mean heck a lot of these areas

988
00:44:16,540 --> 00:44:14,480
even have mine abandoned mines I know

989
00:44:18,700 --> 00:44:16,550
I've got a ton of them out here at the

990
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:18,710
Sheep oil we dig or I should say we do

991
00:44:22,270 --> 00:44:20,690
you know the sheep range where at any

992
00:44:25,300 --> 00:44:22,280
Beach went missing that's a whole nother

993
00:44:27,580 --> 00:44:25,310
fascinating topic

994
00:44:31,090 --> 00:44:27,590
I don't think that it's it's crazy that

995
00:44:34,210 --> 00:44:31,100
they might be in a last foliage covered

996
00:44:37,570 --> 00:44:34,220
area you know you hear the yucca man out

997
00:44:39,850 --> 00:44:37,580
of Joshua Tree National Park there's all

998
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:39,860
kinds of places for them to hide and

999
00:44:43,780 --> 00:44:42,050
like I said in the beginning they're

1000
00:44:46,690 --> 00:44:43,790
just so built for business

1001
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:46,700
that they can avoid it's very easily

1002
00:44:52,210 --> 00:44:49,610
we're loud and we have all these you

1003
00:44:55,510 --> 00:44:52,220
know really probably very potent smell

1004
00:44:58,570 --> 00:44:55,520
to their nose and they are predators and

1005
00:45:00,970 --> 00:44:58,580
you know they are hunters of gear and

1006
00:45:04,270 --> 00:45:00,980
whatever else they can probably get

1007
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:04,280
their hands on for foraging and being

1008
00:45:09,070 --> 00:45:07,010
opportunistic hunters and things I just

1009
00:45:11,230 --> 00:45:09,080
I think it's easy for them to avoid us

1010
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:11,240
so if they're in an area with less

1011
00:45:15,310 --> 00:45:13,610
coverage they just start off to

1012
00:45:18,430 --> 00:45:15,320
somewhere else that they can hide from

1013
00:45:22,540 --> 00:45:18,440
us and I think that the idea of course

1014
00:45:26,410 --> 00:45:22,550
the migration patterns of these things

1015
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:26,420
is something that I know it there are

1016
00:45:31,300 --> 00:45:28,130
people out there working on things like

1017
00:45:34,170 --> 00:45:31,310
that but I mean gosh it's so hard to to

1018
00:45:37,150 --> 00:45:34,180
pin down movements of a creature that

1019
00:45:39,580 --> 00:45:37,160
you might see once in your entire life

1020
00:45:42,310 --> 00:45:39,590
and then never again and that one

1021
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:42,320
sighting was like striking gold in and

1022
00:45:51,820 --> 00:45:46,130
of itself so if we can pin down any

1023
00:45:54,730 --> 00:45:51,830
migration patterns or you know I oh I

1024
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:54,740
wish but again this goes back to do we

1025
00:45:58,420 --> 00:45:56,810
want them in zoos I I would never want

1026
00:46:01,810 --> 00:45:58,430
to see that and I don't really think

1027
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:01,820
it's right just specifically to go out

1028
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:05,090
and kill one for the purposes of proof

1029
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:07,010
although I do think we need the body for

1030
00:46:11,290 --> 00:46:09,530
the proof I'd rather it when we come

1031
00:46:13,690 --> 00:46:11,300
across it some other way the best is

1032
00:46:15,220 --> 00:46:13,700
because I'm an animal lover but it would

1033
00:46:17,050 --> 00:46:15,230
be interesting to have somebody go out

1034
00:46:21,250 --> 00:46:17,060
with them you know tranq darts or

1035
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:21,260
something and be able to collect what we

1036
00:46:25,570 --> 00:46:23,930
needed from it and then release it but

1037
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:25,580
that's the I mean what is what a

1038
00:46:32,980 --> 00:46:29,410
scenario that is so far-fetched but I

1039
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:32,990
don't know I it makes me feel better

1040
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:35,570
about being around here I don't know

1041
00:46:38,770 --> 00:46:37,610
about you I mean and like I said I'll

1042
00:46:40,630 --> 00:46:38,780
tell you off the air

1043
00:46:43,780 --> 00:46:40,640
about more about that Bigfoot in Nevada

1044
00:46:45,490 --> 00:46:43,790
say but I get bummed out because I'm not

1045
00:46:47,410 --> 00:46:45,500
in the woods anymore and I used to go to

1046
00:46:49,569 --> 00:46:47,420
Salt Fork State Park in Ohio all the

1047
00:46:51,940 --> 00:46:49,579
time where I've had school things happen

1048
00:46:54,579 --> 00:46:51,950
and now I'm like I'm back you know that

1049
00:46:57,490 --> 00:46:54,589
I love Vegas and I grew up here but and

1050
00:46:59,370 --> 00:46:57,500
I'm I'm happy to be out of the snow but

1051
00:47:01,690 --> 00:46:59,380
I miss the woods so much and I miss

1052
00:47:03,790 --> 00:47:01,700
feeling like I could have the

1053
00:47:06,339 --> 00:47:03,800
opportunity to sue one at least

1054
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:06,349
impossible where we are and not Vegas

1055
00:47:11,859 --> 00:47:09,530
specifically but it kind of is but to go

1056
00:47:13,599 --> 00:47:11,869
on the outskirts and possibly see one it

1057
00:47:16,660 --> 00:47:13,609
makes me feel a little bit less

1058
00:47:19,240 --> 00:47:16,670
depressed to not be in the woods yeah

1059
00:47:21,250 --> 00:47:19,250
that's really cool that Nevada story I

1060
00:47:25,720 --> 00:47:21,260
would love to hear that that's awesome

1061
00:47:27,250 --> 00:47:25,730
and the the the way that you explained

1062
00:47:29,770 --> 00:47:27,260
it they're built for business that's the

1063
00:47:32,109 --> 00:47:29,780
coolest explanation I've heard because

1064
00:47:34,500 --> 00:47:32,119
they are they're just they're just so

1065
00:47:37,950 --> 00:47:34,510
solid and you hear all the time about

1066
00:47:40,420 --> 00:47:37,960
hunters and there's a story in your book

1067
00:47:42,970 --> 00:47:40,430
also about a young you know I think he

1068
00:47:44,170 --> 00:47:42,980
was 16 and he took a shot at it and you

1069
00:47:46,690 --> 00:47:44,180
know in these life death scenarios

1070
00:47:49,720 --> 00:47:46,700
you'll hear hunters will shoot these and

1071
00:47:51,819 --> 00:47:49,730
there's there's no they don't get faced

1072
00:47:55,569 --> 00:47:51,829
by it and I mean that's like seriously

1073
00:47:58,450 --> 00:47:55,579
built for business is is have you have

1074
00:48:01,240 --> 00:47:58,460
you come across any strange tales that

1075
00:48:03,010 --> 00:48:01,250
go into detail about just how built for

1076
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:03,020
business they are hunters like that have

1077
00:48:08,470 --> 00:48:05,810
not been able to kill them or you know

1078
00:48:10,569 --> 00:48:08,480
III you hear it all the time but I've

1079
00:48:12,550 --> 00:48:10,579
never really heard about any that are

1080
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:12,560
like you know like you said a car

1081
00:48:17,589 --> 00:48:15,170
hitting it or you would think that would

1082
00:48:21,460 --> 00:48:17,599
would probably leave some kind of a body

1083
00:48:22,990 --> 00:48:21,470
the body scenario is is there anybody

1084
00:48:29,290 --> 00:48:23,000
that you've talked to that thought they

1085
00:48:32,230 --> 00:48:29,300
may have killed one not me not me

1086
00:48:37,150 --> 00:48:32,240
specifically but I have heard of a story

1087
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:37,160
of a few stories you know people and

1088
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:40,130
other shows that claim that they know

1089
00:48:45,460 --> 00:48:42,970
they hit it or they even saw it go down

1090
00:48:48,730 --> 00:48:45,470
but then of course you have the other

1091
00:48:51,190 --> 00:48:48,740
Bigfoot to contend with they know what

1092
00:48:52,049 --> 00:48:51,200
guns are and they know what we do when

1093
00:48:54,309 --> 00:48:52,059
we're in the world

1094
00:48:56,289 --> 00:48:54,319
they don't trust us they like I said

1095
00:48:58,089 --> 00:48:56,299
they like to watch us but they don't

1096
00:49:00,089 --> 00:48:58,099
trust us in any way shape or form so

1097
00:49:04,420 --> 00:49:00,099
yeah I certainly have heard stories of

1098
00:49:06,910 --> 00:49:04,430
people claiming that they shot it and it

1099
00:49:09,609 --> 00:49:06,920
went down but of course either they left

1100
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:09,619
because they got freaked out or the

1101
00:49:13,749 --> 00:49:12,170
Bigfoot you know start just to the other

1102
00:49:16,989 --> 00:49:13,759
base I started screaming with them or

1103
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:16,999
you know these creatures are so massive

1104
00:49:23,049 --> 00:49:20,450
that I'd imagine you have to have a gun

1105
00:49:24,489 --> 00:49:23,059
tantamount to what those jerks use when

1106
00:49:27,039 --> 00:49:24,499
they shoot the Rhinos or something you

1107
00:49:29,549 --> 00:49:27,049
know something that big to take down

1108
00:49:34,839 --> 00:49:29,559
some of these larger a third 10/2 at all

1109
00:49:36,759 --> 00:49:34,849
but you know 900 pound Bigfoot because

1110
00:49:40,150 --> 00:49:36,769
usually what the hunters carry unless

1111
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:40,160
they're what's the gentleman's name

1112
00:49:45,009 --> 00:49:43,249
American sniper and get that perfect

1113
00:49:46,630 --> 00:49:45,019
shot you're not taking that thing down

1114
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:46,640
it's just not going to happen now what

1115
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:48,890
happens to the Bigfoot after you know if

1116
00:49:51,220 --> 00:49:50,210
you hit it in the shoulder or something

1117
00:49:54,130 --> 00:49:51,230
like that it's not like they got

1118
00:49:55,749 --> 00:49:54,140
betadine out there and an antibiotics

1119
00:50:02,140 --> 00:49:55,759
I'm sure it's not good for them either

1120
00:50:05,319 --> 00:50:02,150
way to get shot but the the stories of

1121
00:50:09,059 --> 00:50:05,329
the hunters sometimes I feel a worse for

1122
00:50:13,210 --> 00:50:09,069
them because hunting was actually

1123
00:50:14,499 --> 00:50:13,220
something they'd love to do a lot or if

1124
00:50:17,620 --> 00:50:14,509
they were younger it's like their rite

1125
00:50:18,970 --> 00:50:17,630
of passage and it wasn't I have one in

1126
00:50:21,670 --> 00:50:18,980
the book it was even his first time

1127
00:50:24,370 --> 00:50:21,680
hunting it's like finally you know on

1128
00:50:26,950 --> 00:50:24,380
his own got the rifle out at the tree

1129
00:50:31,630 --> 00:50:26,960
stand and then he runs into a Bigfoot

1130
00:50:33,729 --> 00:50:31,640
and he realized it came between or he

1131
00:50:36,099 --> 00:50:33,739
came between it and a deer that it was

1132
00:50:37,599 --> 00:50:36,109
hunting they were actually probably well

1133
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:37,609
it's called two hunters for that reason

1134
00:50:40,509 --> 00:50:38,690
because he was out there for deer and

1135
00:50:42,910 --> 00:50:40,519
obviously the Bigfoot was too and he was

1136
00:50:44,710 --> 00:50:42,920
at the bar back at his property nowhere

1137
00:50:47,710 --> 00:50:44,720
near his uncles and cousins who are also

1138
00:50:50,609 --> 00:50:47,720
hunting and that was another one where

1139
00:50:55,269 --> 00:50:50,619
he was he really thought it going to die

1140
00:50:59,349 --> 00:50:55,279
and in that case he he leveled the rifle

1141
00:51:00,910 --> 00:50:59,359
at this thing and it basically you know

1142
00:51:02,499 --> 00:51:00,920
did the whole puffing up the chest thing

1143
00:51:04,509 --> 00:51:02,509
like oh really

1144
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:04,519
you want it you really want to do that

1145
00:51:07,900 --> 00:51:05,090
you know

1146
00:51:10,630 --> 00:51:07,910
one of those situations so they're very

1147
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:10,640
smart and they know what what weapons

1148
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:15,010
are and what hunters do in the woods so

1149
00:51:19,930 --> 00:51:17,570
it's just the case you got to be careful

1150
00:51:22,690 --> 00:51:19,940
what you wish for that one changed his

1151
00:51:24,820 --> 00:51:22,700
life too and he is not a fan of going

1152
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:24,830
out in the woods without being armed and

1153
00:51:29,470 --> 00:51:27,890
and really not being out there too late

1154
00:51:31,270 --> 00:51:29,480
at night because it was getting around

1155
00:51:35,950 --> 00:51:31,280
dusk when that encounter happened for

1156
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:35,960
him man that is pretty spooky stuff it

1157
00:51:43,530 --> 00:51:39,770
is it's pretty scary and Shannon you

1158
00:51:45,940 --> 00:51:43,540
have a bunch of stuff coming up I just I

1159
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:45,950
don't want to get stuck on the book or

1160
00:51:50,350 --> 00:51:47,450
limited to that but it's such a fresh

1161
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:50,360
perspective and awesome book but could

1162
00:51:54,340 --> 00:51:53,090
you tell our guests all the stuff you

1163
00:51:58,810 --> 00:51:54,350
have coming up I think you have an

1164
00:52:01,480 --> 00:51:58,820
upcoming documentary on UFOs and other

1165
00:52:04,240 --> 00:52:01,490
things going on absolutely yeah thanks

1166
00:52:08,410 --> 00:52:04,250
Ryan yes sir I was fortunate enough to

1167
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:08,420
be the host for on the trail of UFOs

1168
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:10,610
that is a documentary coming out from

1169
00:52:14,890 --> 00:52:13,130
small town monster I'm sure a lot of

1170
00:52:17,650 --> 00:52:14,900
your listeners will be familiar with

1171
00:52:19,390 --> 00:52:17,660
them they've done work on Mothman

1172
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:19,400
they've got the witch stuff coming up

1173
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:22,970
they've done Minerva monster we've we've

1174
00:52:27,430 --> 00:52:24,650
done of course on the trail of Bigfoot

1175
00:52:30,610 --> 00:52:27,440
which is already out on Amazon time or

1176
00:52:32,380 --> 00:52:30,620
through small town monsters calm but

1177
00:52:35,380 --> 00:52:32,390
later this year on the trail UFOs will

1178
00:52:38,310 --> 00:52:35,390
come out and we traveled thousands of

1179
00:52:42,670 --> 00:52:38,320
miles over many trips and talked to many

1180
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:42,680
fascinating people about either decided

1181
00:52:48,340 --> 00:52:44,330
that where they come from for the

1182
00:52:50,700 --> 00:52:48,350
research or and or a sighting or we just

1183
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:50,710
we talk to people that had incredible

1184
00:52:56,470 --> 00:52:53,810
witness encounters and how it changed

1185
00:52:59,320 --> 00:52:56,480
their life specific to the UFO subjects

1186
00:53:01,150 --> 00:52:59,330
so that'll be out later this year and in

1187
00:53:02,530 --> 00:53:01,160
fact if you guys are part of Facebook

1188
00:53:05,380 --> 00:53:02,540
we're doing a fun we always do a

1189
00:53:08,380 --> 00:53:05,390
Kickstarter live event and that'll be

1190
00:53:11,710 --> 00:53:08,390
February 6th at 7 p.m.

1191
00:53:13,810 --> 00:53:11,720
I believe that Pacific Standard Time but

1192
00:53:18,330 --> 00:53:13,820
you can check my facebook for more

1193
00:53:21,150 --> 00:53:18,340
information on that and also team like

1194
00:53:23,190 --> 00:53:21,160
Hof is the co-author along with myself

1195
00:53:26,220 --> 00:53:23,200
for beyond the fray Bigfoot and we've

1196
00:53:28,710 --> 00:53:26,230
got beyond the fray param Elbe nation is

1197
00:53:31,290 --> 00:53:28,720
up for pre-order right now we're in the

1198
00:53:34,050 --> 00:53:31,300
process of writing that and that should

1199
00:53:36,990 --> 00:53:34,060
be a do out late April of this year so

1200
00:53:38,820 --> 00:53:37,000
pretty quick and apparent affirmation of

1201
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:38,830
the word that I came up with a long time

1202
00:53:44,310 --> 00:53:41,770
ago for an episode of my show I just it

1203
00:53:46,110 --> 00:53:44,320
was paranormal just all over the place

1204
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:46,120
craziness and I'm like well this is an

1205
00:53:50,730 --> 00:53:48,130
amalgamation it's a pair of motivation

1206
00:53:53,190 --> 00:53:50,740
so that was the inception of that word

1207
00:53:57,410 --> 00:53:53,200
and that is exactly what this book will

1208
00:54:00,570 --> 00:53:57,420
be some of my favorites from my show

1209
00:54:02,940 --> 00:54:00,580
into the fray ones that are just so

1210
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:02,950
difficult to classify they do not fit in

1211
00:54:09,780 --> 00:54:05,530
any neat tidy little box like a ghost or

1212
00:54:14,010 --> 00:54:09,790
a shadow person or whatever creatures

1213
00:54:16,980 --> 00:54:14,020
and and spooky stuff and even you know

1214
00:54:19,380 --> 00:54:16,990
for lack of a better term even a Windigo

1215
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:19,390
a woman said she encountered a Wendigo

1216
00:54:22,740 --> 00:54:21,130
one of the most terrifying stories I've

1217
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:22,750
taken a long time that was a recent

1218
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:28,450
episode but again we're adding stories

1219
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:30,490
in there that will not be on the show

1220
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:32,770
because either usually it's because

1221
00:54:35,580 --> 00:54:34,090
people are just not comfortable coming

1222
00:54:39,720 --> 00:54:35,590
on and that's totally fine

1223
00:54:41,910 --> 00:54:39,730
so I'm currently collecting stories for

1224
00:54:43,530 --> 00:54:41,920
that so that's anybody out there is you

1225
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:43,540
know into sharing their stories but

1226
00:54:48,240 --> 00:54:45,850
doesn't want to be on us a show that's

1227
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:48,250
always an option too so yeah beyond the

1228
00:54:54,060 --> 00:54:51,490
fray paramount omission is it will be

1229
00:54:57,570 --> 00:54:54,070
ready to rock in April so much going on

1230
00:55:00,210 --> 00:54:57,580
so cool and it's just such a fresh

1231
00:55:01,620 --> 00:55:00,220
perspective perspective you bring to the

1232
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:01,630
paranormal and your passion for the

1233
00:55:05,940 --> 00:55:04,210
paranormal really really shows Jen and I

1234
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:05,950
appreciate you coming on the podcast and

1235
00:55:11,460 --> 00:55:08,530
sharing some of the coolest things that

1236
00:55:13,770 --> 00:55:11,470
you got to deal with and I hope to talk

1237
00:55:16,020 --> 00:55:13,780
to you soon I'll definitely keep an eye

1238
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:16,030
out for all that stuff and I hope our

1239
00:55:24,150 --> 00:55:21,370
listeners do too well there you have it

1240
00:55:27,420 --> 00:55:24,160
Shannon look row telling us about her

1241
00:55:28,590 --> 00:55:27,430
new Bigfoot book beyond the fray she has

1242
00:55:30,180 --> 00:55:28,600
a lot going on and

1243
00:55:32,460 --> 00:55:30,190
her passion for the paranormal is

1244
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:32,470
something that is hard to keep up with

1245
00:55:36,720 --> 00:55:34,810
she is all over the place

1246
00:55:39,540 --> 00:55:36,730
always researching and always working on

1247
00:55:41,850 --> 00:55:39,550
something I was very happy to be able to

1248
00:55:44,010 --> 00:55:41,860
get her on the program and hoped have

1249
00:55:45,750 --> 00:55:44,020
her on again soon and talked to her soon

1250
00:55:47,550 --> 00:55:45,760
really exciting and interesting stuff

1251
00:55:50,250 --> 00:55:47,560
that she's doing definitely check it out

1252
00:55:54,060 --> 00:55:50,260
also check her out at into the fray

1253
00:55:56,220 --> 00:55:54,070
radio.com she is on social media you can

1254
00:55:59,100 --> 00:55:56,230
see her there and keep a eye out for

1255
00:56:01,350 --> 00:55:59,110
that new upcoming documentary on the

1256
00:56:04,710 --> 00:56:01,360
trail of UFOs should be great

1257
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:04,720
also check out hero paranormal com check

1258
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:07,330
out our quick and easy downloadable

1259
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1260
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1261
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that's also a full archive at that

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1263
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1266
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1267
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1268
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1269
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